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1Hello guys, the wait is over. Thanks for all your valuable user stories, suggestions and requests. This was a real community teamwork.
We are happy to introduce: Prezi for the iPad!
http://blog.prezi.com/2011/01/10/show...
Looking forward to continuing sharing thoughts and receiving your feedback here.
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People have been begging apple for flash forever, but ultimately, that doesn't matter what apple decides to do. They have a successful product with a large chunk of the market share. Other companies have found ways to develop exclusive applications for iOS and have found success there. Some have not and continue to be successful in a Flash-only environment.
What matters now is whether Prezi is working to create an IOS app or not. If they are, and it comes quickly enough to discourage competiton great. If it doesn't and a competitor steps up, you could lose market share.
If you guys are planning an app, please let us know. If not, then your iPad customers have a decision to make. Is it worth using Prezi, or is there a competitor.
I can only assume Prezi is discussing it internally based on the volume of comments here. I realize it requires a lot of programming muscle and resources and will be difficult, but shortly I assume you will make a decision as a company as to whether you will be pursuing development, or sticking exclusively with Flash.
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Julio, I completely disagree that Apple has a monopoly. It's not as if there weren't smart phones before the iphone, and it's not as if there weren't tablets before the iPad. Its just that once those products (and more importantly iOS) was developed and released, consumers responded with their wallets.
That customer base has proven to be incredibly loyal and willing to forgive shoddy service, one major design flaw and missing functionality available on other devices. In fact, their customer base is so loyal that they love the product (97% were either very satisfied or satisfied with the 3gs), while they HATE their provider, almost 50%. (http://www.computerworld.com/s/articl...)
One of the main reason is that there truly is "An App For That", and the quality of the experience is much better than say on a Droid (in their perceptions).
I had much the same reaction that I did with the iPhone when I first saw Prezi. In fact, 24 hours before a HUGE presentation, I scrapped all the Powerpoint stuff we had, and bought Prezi and worked through the night on building my presentation, which was a hit. I took that enormous risk because I thought there was such promise, and Prezi has consistently delivered since then.
Since then, much like my experience with the iPhone, I told everyone who asked about Prezi how good it was, and that we were using it exclusively. Sure, Prezi has flaws, like you can't put a custom background/fonts in yourself, and it's a little buggy, but they seem to be pretty responsive, and no one out there is even close in the Market.
And for now, while it won't work on IOS, Prezi is relatively safe from competition, as your innovation in the market has been strong. Much in the same way that iPhones and iPads are dominating their respective markets. But if something comes along that's much better (HTC Hero, Droids for example), then people will switch.
But without strong competition, more and more and more people are moving towards ipads rather than laptops (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/0..., and either Flash will be replaced, or their consumers will become independent of Flash and Flash-based products. The rest of the marketplace will be forced to either accept a smaller target of customers, or develop a more universal platform. However once a customer has switched away from something, they will likely never return to a former product.
I know I'll never go back to Powerpoint.
Also, claiming that Apple is mean and we should take our complaints there is a valid point. You have every right as a company to say that. Apple and Microsoft both frequently take the attitude that is very anti-consumer, and Prezi can follow along in their footsteps if you like, however, I would remind you that most of your customers who use IOS use their iPhones and iPads a WHOLE lot more than they build presentations, and probably have more loyalty to devices they use throughout the day.
If something comes along that's as easy and innovative to use as Prezi and works on the iPad, many will switch and a new dominant force will emerge in the market place.
You have no responsibility to nor are not being forced to develop an iOS app. I realize that this goes against your fundamental core programming in Flash. All I'm saying is that if a competitor shows up, it could be worse for your company. Someone will innovate, and for your company's sake, I hope it's Prezi.
After 15 years of using powerpoint, I dropped it permanently in about 5 minutes of playing with Prezi, flaws and all. If something else came to the market I might drop Prezi as well. I love it now, the way I love my iPhone, but I did look at the droids and Hero, and while I didn't switch then, something may come along one day that's better. All I can say is, my company is now planning a large purchase of iPads to take on the road to presentations, and the Prezi issue is looming large.
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I'd love to have Prezi for iPad. - As we equip everyone of our 80 teachers with iPads they would love to use Prezi for teaching. We are currently in project-planning phase so we would love to integrate Prezi. It'd be also great publicity for Prezi as we might be featured on Apples Website as a model-school. Imagine Prezi becoming the Microsoft Office for teaching in the 21st century ;) - you just have to give us an iPad app ;)
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I use Prezi almost for all my presentations. Now i own a Ipad i just need the app on my new portable device !
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It strikes me that no one who asked Prezi working on ipad, explain here that also have asked Apple to admit flash on ipad as it does the rest of the manufacturers of such devices.
For aesthetics reasons (symmetry) I would appreciate comments like: "I've also asked Apple to support flash on ipad again."
Could be that only have to do the dirty work the small Companies? :) That sounds like a monopoly ...
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Apple supporting Flash: not going to happen.
Prezi supporting iPad: could happen.
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Julio:
Apple supporting Flash: not going to happen.
Prezi supporting iPad: could happen.
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Support, or not support, flash on Ipad is up to Apple.
Make hear their needs, is work for consumers.
Many of those calling here for changes in Prezi's code, may have not paid a dime to Prezi, and certainly they have paid their money for their ipad.
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Julio - In particular - as a paying Prezi user and I believe there are many of us who pay for Prezi, I essentially would like Prezi available on Pad.
Apple has no business justification to take any interest in flash - that bit is clear, however Prezi have an opportunity to create a big strong market for themselves here. I suppose nobody knows whether it fits the business model for Prezi management and their VC backers we'll need to wait and see.
At the top of this thread there is a statement that states "The company implemented this idea". However there is no explanation of what this actually means in real English.
What would be helpful is a clear non-ambigious statement from the Prezi team as to whether they are working on (as opposed to idly looking at) a non flash version. Thousands of business and apps have already moved from flash to more open technologies so it's not a big deal technically.
My past experience of the Prezi team and response to demand and support so far has been the equivalent of turning a tanker around - they are slow to react and very slow to change - When fundamental bug fixes (like the copy paste issue) takes 6 months it kinda shows Prezi is not a nimble responsive company by any means.
Don't get me wrong Prezi is a fabulous product it's the Prezi management that just seems to be slow to respond to anything.
I have it on reasonable authority that an open source zooming canvas tool is being developed by a young German team. One which will replicate the Prezi zooming function and even import the XML.
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Thanks Garym, this is the best comment on this thread!
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you said . "Apple has no business justification to take any interest in flash"
... you mean that consumer needs is not business relevant ?
... you mean that if you can choose you don ́t choose ipad with flash, so with Prezi ?-
... the consumer need here is for Prezi to work on an iPad - if you want to make a case for Flash working on iPad this may not be the right forum.
...I don't believe anyone buys an iPad for Flash - I bought Prezi to make presentations.
I, like millions of others bought an iPad to make presentations - regrettably I make do with other graphics technologies - Prezi is locked into a proprietary development technology platform (Flash) so that kinda removes that choice for me. Most of us in this forum just want to use Prezi on an iPad - no-one cares about Flash - in fact over reliance on Flash is highlighting the fact that many companies made a bad technology partner decision. There are nimble developers who adapted fast after the iPad release, there are other developers that are not so quick and nimble - Prezi never became part of the first group. -
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Agree with you, Gary...100%
There are technical and commercial reasons why Apple has stayed away from Adobe and Flash. These are not the subject of this forum.
More important in terms of Prezi and its developers is to deliver against the clear consumer demand of iPad users. Or risk losing these users to a third party, competitive product.
It is a pity no-one from Prezi has responded for sometime.
Makes me think they are struggling to support and develop their product.
In which case, we need to start looking at the alternatives. To a certain extent, OmniGraffle is a commercial product that fulfils some of Prezi's functions, but not perfectly. -
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Julio, I completely disagree that Apple has a monopoly. It's not as if there weren't smart phones before the iphone, and it's not as if there weren't tablets before the iPad. Its just that once those products (and more importantly iOS) was developed and released, consumers responded with their wallets.
That customer base has proven to be incredibly loyal and willing to forgive shoddy service, one major design flaw and missing functionality available on other devices. In fact, their customer base is so loyal that they love the product (97% were either very satisfied or satisfied with the 3gs), while they HATE their provider, almost 50%. (http://www.computerworld.com/s/articl...)
One of the main reason is that there truly is "An App For That", and the quality of the experience is much better than say on a Droid (in their perceptions).
I had much the same reaction that I did with the iPhone when I first saw Prezi. In fact, 24 hours before a HUGE presentation, I scrapped all the Powerpoint stuff we had, and bought Prezi and worked through the night on building my presentation, which was a hit. I took that enormous risk because I thought there was such promise, and Prezi has consistently delivered since then.
Since then, much like my experience with the iPhone, I told everyone who asked about Prezi how good it was, and that we were using it exclusively. Sure, Prezi has flaws, like you can't put a custom background/fonts in yourself, and it's a little buggy, but they seem to be pretty responsive, and no one out there is even close in the Market.
And for now, while it won't work on IOS, Prezi is relatively safe from competition, as your innovation in the market has been strong. Much in the same way that iPhones and iPads are dominating their respective markets. But if something comes along that's much better (HTC Hero, Droids for example), then people will switch.
But without strong competition, more and more and more people are moving towards ipads rather than laptops (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/0..., and either Flash will be replaced, or their consumers will become independent of Flash and Flash-based products. The rest of the marketplace will be forced to either accept a smaller target of customers, or develop a more universal platform. However once a customer has switched away from something, they will likely never return to a former product.
I know I'll never go back to Powerpoint.
Also, claiming that Apple is mean and we should take our complaints there is a valid point. You have every right as a company to say that. Apple and Microsoft both frequently take the attitude that is very anti-consumer, and Prezi can follow along in their footsteps if you like, however, I would remind you that most of your customers who use IOS use their iPhones and iPads a WHOLE lot more than they build presentations, and probably have more loyalty to devices they use throughout the day.
If something comes along that's as easy and innovative to use as Prezi and works on the iPad, many will switch and a new dominant force will emerge in the market place.
You have no responsibility to nor are not being forced to develop an iOS app. I realize that this goes against your fundamental core programming in Flash. All I'm saying is that if a competitor shows up, it could be worse for your company. Someone will innovate, and for your company's sake, I hope it's Prezi.
After 15 years of using powerpoint, I dropped it permanently in about 5 minutes of playing with Prezi, flaws and all. If something else came to the market I might drop Prezi as well. I love it now, the way I love my iPhone, but I did look at the droids and Hero, and while I didn't switch then, something may come along one day that's better. All I can say is, my company is now planning a large purchase of iPads to take on the road to presentations, and the Prezi issue is looming large.
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You completely create a false point of view that iPhone owners are unhappy with apple. It's ATT that the survey very clearly states as they "HATE" their provider.
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I'm sorry for the confusion, I did state that "That customer base has proven to be incredibly loyal and willing to forgive shoddy service, one major design flaw and missing functionality available on other devices. In fact, their customer base is so loyal that they love the product (97% were either very satisfied or satisfied with the 3gs), while they HATE their provider, almost 50%."
I love my iOS devices and in no way meant to say that other owners don't. My point is that Apple owners will be more loyal to the phones and iPads they use every day and not to Prezi, which they likely don't use all the time if a viable alternative is presented.
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IMO this article places this issue in the right spot :
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-200...
There you can read :
"HTML vs. Flash has the potential to become a religious war. As long as there have been programming languages, there have been arguments about which tool is the best for getting the job done,"
Meanwhile I think it is good to remember that there is life beyond ithings :
http://renaun.com/blog/2010/09/adobe-...
http://www.google.es/search?q=tablets...
How is she spinning ? clockwise or counterclockwise ? ... if you pay attention, you see the two ways :)-
I agree with the article, but I don't think the argument of flash vs html5 is relevant. Your customers may not know or may not care that prezi is flash based. They just want to use their cool looking presentation software on their favorite device. Whether or not it's feasible, or whether Prezi wants to spend a bunch of time essentially figuring out how to make it feasible is irrelevant as well. As I said in a previous post, your customers want it on an iPad. They have spoken. It's not for you to decide whether they're right or not. If everyone screamed they wanted a leopard-print background, you'd deliver it. What I'm saying is that with this much demand, someone is going to build presentation software that works on an iPad. If it's you, fantastic, your market has already said they would pay a premium. If not? By inaction, you have created a needless competitor. The choice is up to you guys. Arguing about whether it's a religious debate doesn't matter in the least to your customers.
In that Cnet article you posted there's a line about how customers don't know or care whether their movies are flash or not they just need to push play. Your customers are the same. They jus want it to work on an iPad. -
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Dear Prezi Fans - let's get back on topic.
Let's not forget this thread is "PLEEEEEASE can we have Prezi on the iPad?"- view 1 more comment
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So that this is salami, why everyone must produce mortadella ? :)
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You can produce what you want, and if people want what you make, you'll make money. However if everyone wants mortadella, I'd figure out a recipe.
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I agree with Gary. This conversation has gone wildly off course, so much so, that I'm seriously thinking about unsubscribing from it. We need to ask a different question: when is Prezi going to deliver an app for the iPad? This is the conversation we need to begin right away. I hope Zoli or someone else from the company will respond specifically to that question as soon as possible. Thank you.
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Yes, Andrew those issues, finally, are about law of offer and demand . See here ipad users claiming for flash support. Let us see if Apple is right not hearing them :
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" I absolutely love my iPad, but this gap is really frustrating. I am a huge tennis fan and watch A LOT of matches on live stream. NONE of them work on the iPad. Even some "live score" sites use flash. It is frustrating to have one thing missing from the iPad..
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I am very disturbed by Apple's censorship of Flash based web content on the iPad. Most major news amd education sites use Flash for maps and other interactive diagrams. Blocking Flash content on the iPad makes it close to useless for many users. - It is not the place of hardware makers to impose censorious standards on content providers and I look to Apple to reverse its present position on Flash content on mobile devices. -
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The lack of Flash is a real pain in the short term. Many sites like the BBC, sports results, various news services, etc. use Flash, and we can't get that content on Apple's mobile devices. - I support Apple's stance on this, but it still is a pain in the short term. - Only good news is that I see the BBC are talking about moving their news services away from Flash in the future. Can't come soon enough!
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I understand why steve jobs is opposed to flash and I don't really mind that the iPhones don't support it. However The iPad is WAY too similar to a computer to not have flash. What is next, not allowing flash on iMacs? I'm fine with not allowing safari to support flash because of all the reasons stated in steve jobs article about why he does not like flash. However, for those of us who still want to torture ourselves with flash, we should be allowed to download a browser that will support flash. Apple is treating customers like babies, and it is insulting.
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I don't think Apple view iPad users as babies. More like cash cows. Flash would allow content and apps to bypass the iTunes Store and the App Store. Flash on the iPad would impact Apple's revenue stream. No need to look any further. There's no "moral" or "technical" decision. It's business.
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I agree with Jobs's explanation: Flash *****. Security issues, error messages, resource hog, etc.(although he's also obviously feared of Flash's capabilites that would make tons of commercial apps, especially most 2d games, a waste of money.) - But he needs to realize that there are many many people who want Flash on Apple mobile devices regardless of its drawbacks. What I think the best solution would be is adding, along with Flash, an option to enable/disable Flash contents on the web. If it's not technically impossible, it would be win-win for everyone.
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I don't think anyone here is saying (that flash) it's a 'killer app'. It is however, extremely inconvenient not having the option as many news services, education sites, sports results, BBC, etc. use Flash and not being able to view them is a real pain. - The transitional period from Flash to HTML5 is going to be pretty tedious for some people. - At the end of the proverbial day, however, this is a pointless discussion. It's not as if Mr Jobs is going to change his mind! ... Again, like many of your other posts, you seem to think that the world should change to fit Apple's philosophy, rather than 1 device fitting in with the rest of the world."
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Does Julio work for Prezi? Prezi suggesting that Apple should support flash is the tail wagging the dog. I'm going to use my iPad, that is not at question, but I will not be using Prezi unless they find a way to work on the iPad as it exists.
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"Does Julio work for Prezi?"
That would be too simplistic. I think we should continue to reasoning rather than labeling.-
I don't understand your point. If you are an official representative of Prezi, if that's your label, then we assume you are speaking on behalf of Prezi. Everyone here is presumably a customer of Prezi and even has financially supported the company. If you are just a supporter of Prezi, or hate Apple or whatever than that's fine, but if you work for the company, the the question is if you are speaking FOR the company and the reluctance you display is an official company position, or if you are just an obviously protective employee, but speaking for yourself.
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Andrew, of course I am not a Prezi's representative, and I am not working for, or having financial connections with Prezi.
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People have been begging apple for flash forever, but ultimately, that doesn't matter what apple decides to do. They have a successful product with a large chunk of the market share. Other companies have found ways to develop exclusive applications for iOS and have found success there. Some have not and continue to be successful in a Flash-only environment.
What matters now is whether Prezi is working to create an IOS app or not. If they are, and it comes quickly enough to discourage competiton great. If it doesn't and a competitor steps up, you could lose market share.
If you guys are planning an app, please let us know. If not, then your iPad customers have a decision to make. Is it worth using Prezi, or is there a competitor.
I can only assume Prezi is discussing it internally based on the volume of comments here. I realize it requires a lot of programming muscle and resources and will be difficult, but shortly I assume you will make a decision as a company as to whether you will be pursuing development, or sticking exclusively with Flash.
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Hah, this is very cool! Thanks for the input, I have shared this with the Prezi team :) Seriously, we are well-well aware of this request, and as you know we always listen to our users when developing new features. However I cannot tell you more about this right now. No promises.
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I really like Prezi's potential, though it threw a 2035 error at me this morning and I had to relink a bunch of images. Our sales reps want the iPad. Does that mean that I go for Keynote instead? Oh well...
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Prezi is not on iPad yet, is it? This topic starts with "The company implemented this idea".
Anyway... maybe Scobleizers post "SlideRocket goes HTML5" inspires? SlideRocket can present (not compose) on iPad. The video mentions it cannot be used via a beamer due to Safari on iPad limitations.
http://scobleizer.com/2010/11/16/firs...- view 2 more comments
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Yeah. The most competitive ones will survive.
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Yeah. The most competitive ones will survive.
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Hi now the discussion starts 10 month ago. When we will get Prezzi on I pad?
I like Prezi but I prefer my IPad. So do we need to look elswere? -
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i reckon with the prezi team working on it already and about 1000 people saying it will be the best thing ever prezi will be going crazy in their office trying to get prezi on ipad. if prezi does competitors would go out of busines and there would be the prezi business empire. im pretty sure prezi will go on ipad and become rich but what im interested to kow is after prezi whats gonna happen because they can't become to rich with just one program.
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For me an acceptable first solution to the iPad issue would be to make a HTML5 player. Which would enable me to view the Prezis on an iPad but not edit them. That would be a huge leap forward for me.
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I can only agree! Prezi for the iPad would be wonderful!
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OK, has anyone tried the skyfire iTune Flash conversion app for Prezi? It received a lot of press recently for allowing real time flash to html5 video viewing, but will not do flash games... Is Prezi "really" a game that won't work? That my thinking but I haven't tested it yet. Cheers.
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iTunes* and skyfire isnt for flash applications, only videos (and Im assuming that one would want the entire prezi suite for creation). Furthermore, an iPad application isnt necessary, just using HTML 5 will make Prezi available to all modern platforms, including the iPhone and Androids (without the use of a battery draining, security risking flash plug-in - or support)
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So, I read the skyfire description and didn't think it would work, because it wouldn't do "games" which are interactive like Prezi. So, an export function into html5 would be one development path...from a non-software-develooper...
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Please bring Prezi to the iPad. I can sell hundreds of licenses for you.
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The iPad is the perfect platform for Prezi in two manners: the technology (especially the software) is far superior compared to other tablets, which are all kind of sluggish in the interface and equipped with much more latencies.
The other point is that the elegant, minimalistic and creative way Apple and its communities usually appear would fit perfectly to Prezi.
I'm really surprised that there hasn't been a competitor, yet, with a similiar idea in particular focusing on the apple market.
I just don't understand you guys. Programming an app for iPad (and at the same time for Macs as well) would be so easy. Everything you need is there.
Quartz2D has already everthing in there you need for your vector drawing.
Why are you using those slow flash-crap?
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we have open positions :)
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@Peter: If you would be located in Berlin, I would apply for it. ;)
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Looks like there hasn't been a reply lately from Prezi on this, and it seems like a pretty popular idea. I'll throw my hat in the ring on this one too. I'd LOVE to see Prezi on the iPad. Where are we with this? Did you guys decide to work on it? Are you still considering it? There aren't many presentation platforms available for iPad at the moment, and Prezi seems absolutely perfect for iPad. Hope you make it happen soon!
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Agree that an iPad app would be a great productivity enhancer for our sales team. We often use prezi and the the wow factor is incredible. Having the ability to present via an iPad app would make life much easier. No need to release full editing capabilities on launch. But if you did, it would make it a killer app. Key is presentation/demo capabilities. That what I primarily use my iPad for. Looking forward to a press app release! Glad the company is considering it.
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What is possible with Prezi and the iPad today
I know this might not be what most of you would like to hear. I'm a big fan of Prezi and have done Prezi presentations in front of huge, international audiences. Prezi has never let me down.
I would love to see the Prezi team move forward to a HTML5 compatible format or allow a high-res full canvas PDF export which would allow you to use Prezi with your iPads. However, they are apparently not there (yet!).
So, here is how you can use Prezi with your iPad right now:
- run Prezi web or desktop on a windows PC and access this remotely using iPad apps like Teamviewer, VNC, splashtop or others
- run Prezi on a server and access it with apps like WebEx or Citrix
- export your Prezi to PDF, upload and display in an app like Goodreader
- extend the screen of your laptop or desktop with MaxiVista for iPad and the MaxiVista app to display the Prezis on your ipad - see picture above
Of course, the main shortcoming of these solutions is that you will need a host machine to use Prezi. For real Prezi-like presentations, you are pretty much forced to use option 1 above with all drawbacks that come with remote operations.
So, lets keep the Prezi / Zuilabs team under pressure to at least develop a prezi viewer for the iPad! -
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Prezi viewer now! Ipad portability is the key for my presentations. Prezi is the only reason for my sluggish netbook survival ...
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1Hello guys, the wait is over. Thanks for all your valuable user stories, suggestions and requests. This was a real community teamwork.
We are happy to introduce: Prezi for the iPad!
http://blog.prezi.com/2011/01/10/show...
Looking forward to continuing sharing thoughts and receiving your feedback here.
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Not working at a ipad iOS (8C148). Damn! No day 1 fun ....
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Not working at ipad iOS 4.2.1 (8C148). Damn! No day 1 fun ....
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