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Path-Speed
It would be great if the path-function would allow users to set the speed in which a specific path-point will be accesed.
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4It would be great if you could just freehand draw the path, that way you could do a controlled fly by.
To control the speed and height of the path how about a record button. When you click record your mouse movement would fly the camera. Up and down could be maped to the path height, left and right would be maped to path speed.
This would give lots of controlover the camera.
Also the hight and speed of the path could be graphed right along the path as seen in purple and brown.
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7hmm...maybe the accellerations also with an zebra!?
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7think this is the right place:
it should be directly by the path, becouse you have to optimise
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3I agree totally with this. In fact I had an idea to put some poignant text quotes along a path so that the audience has a chance to "glance" them as I move from point to point. Problem is that the path moves to quickly for it to work.
I would have the interface simple like the rest of prezi. Set path speed. 1/4 speed, 1/2 speed, Normal X- 2 - and "blink" (blink being instant) -
5Yes - this is an absolue must. Some of the zooms are far too fast and it becomes difficult to see exactly where you've just zoomed from - especially if you are following a path from a small object to a big one.
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Good idea. I love it. Do you have any idea how the interface should look for this?
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2Hmmmm...
1) There could be something like a pop-up-menu when you select a point of the path
2) The zebra could be used.
a) only the scaling function would be used
b) the full zebra: you would then be able to move this point arround to any point of the presentation (i would love that feature ;) ) using the scale option would do the speed adjustment and using the rotating function would allow the user to adjust the angle in which the object would be shown (if not used prezi will keep the auto-turn-function active, which would give users an extra amount of freedom ;) )
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We nice ideas!!
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5Yes - this is an absolue must. Some of the zooms are far too fast and it becomes difficult to see exactly where you've just zoomed from - especially if you are following a path from a small object to a big one.
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3I agree totally with this. In fact I had an idea to put some poignant text quotes along a path so that the audience has a chance to "glance" them as I move from point to point. Problem is that the path moves to quickly for it to work.
I would have the interface simple like the rest of prezi. Set path speed. 1/4 speed, 1/2 speed, Normal X- 2 - and "blink" (blink being instant) -
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1. use a left click menu (but this is bad for tabletsa)
2. multi timing options: user defined a timing preset for a view, varing from a preset time for that viiew, to the time it takes a clip to end; not alloing a shared presentation to step out of the automatic mode, if that is the option of the creator. -
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I think this idea should go on with the other, that the path of the cam can be edited and the camera drives over special things.
Also there should be the possibility to change the accelleration of the cam. This would be a good element to control the dramaturgy of elements (first slow fly over a object and getting faster with a abrupt stop over something)
Particle illusion and Premiere uses option areas for such things that looks like a parabola.
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Perhaps the Prezi team could take a page from Newtek's Lightwave.
In that 3D app, there is a Modeler and a Layout program. In Modeler you build your 3D shapes, in Layout you assign motion paths and camera angles.
In a Prezi Modeler you'd build your presentation, text, frames, photos, etc. In a Prezi Layout you'd have your motion path, zoom, etc.
If you divided Prezi into these two core functions you'd be able to add more features to each without over complicating the menu system (the simplicity of which I think is what we all love).- view 1 more comment
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I agree, but then there should be also a fourth mode:
Automatic presentation, with a possibility to attach speech. Only in this 4th mode a (path-) timing-menu should appear. -
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The reason I looked in on this chat was to find out if the Auto-Present idea was out there. Hhmm, seven months ago . . .I wonder if the idea will gain momentum?
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7think this is the right place:
it should be directly by the path, becouse you have to optimise
the paths one by one. maybe something like this:-
can't believe that you haven't addressed this...
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7hmm...maybe the accellerations also with an zebra!?
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What about using the speed bit on the path to dictate how quickly the camera moves from point to point and using a zebra like tool on the node to dictate how long the prezi stays on that point? That could be used if you have a show that doesn't require a presentation that people can just press the automate button and watch. But I guess at that point you might as well make a movie. Hmm...
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this is GREAT
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I’m
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4It would be great if you could just freehand draw the path, that way you could do a controlled fly by.
To control the speed and height of the path how about a record button. When you click record your mouse movement would fly the camera. Up and down could be maped to the path height, left and right would be maped to path speed.
This would give lots of controlover the camera.
Also the hight and speed of the path could be graphed right along the path as seen in purple and brown.
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THIS is AWESOME - doesn't anyone from PREZI get that. path speed needs to be adjusted!!!
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There are several variables to be controlled.
* The two end points of a path segment (all we can specify now)
* The changing position along the path (which defaults to a straight line?)
* The speed and change of speed along the path (some kind of S-curve)
* The change of zoom (by default it zooms out a ways, and then back in)
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I’m
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Not to get off-track, but at some point it would also be nice to have the option of creating paths with a bézier curve. The reason I mention it here is that it fits with the spirit of the conversation: better control (and more creative control) over the path function.
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I’m
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I can confirm that bezier curves would be better than free hand, in fact thats how I drew the curved path in the pic above. Free hand plus a real time auto smoothing would be simpler.
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But will John Doe understand that?
Because there are people having problems with the notepad! ;-)
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Good point chromax. I'm familiar with bézier curves because I work in programs like Corel Draw and Adobe Illustrator (among other things). Your average Joe may have some difficulty with it. Rylan is probably right that a free hand with auto smoothing would be simpler. I'd just be concerned that if you wanted to get something "just so", freehand could be frustrating (unless you have a Wacom tablet interface....which most don't)....in any case, the ability to curve a path is the end desire, so however its arrived at is better than not at all.
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I’m
anxiously anticipating this
2Is there a log of the improvements / feature upgrades as they are implemented? - e.g. I noticed that AS3 code is now being supported ( I can now control swf clips).
The speed control is a really fundamental requirement (easing would rock, too!) to build less vertigo inducing transitions for a really slick, polished presentation.
Such an exciting paradigm shift in presentations! Keep up the great work! -
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I’m
hungry
well since prezi's tools are simple the speed should be too, why not just have colored paths represent the path speed, red is max speed, green is medium, violet is slowest and all inbetween.
this could be controlled by the scrolly mouse wheel while mouse overing the path or when picking the path tool.
I think that would be easiest since you can clearly see path speed due to the colors. -
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I see your point, but I still think Till and Chromax have it right. If each leg of the path has a speed indicator slider (as illustrated above), that would be an elegant and easy way to set the speed. I suppose cycling through multiple path colors could be as simple, but I'm not sure that I see how.
Also Till and Chromax's examples clearly indicate that it would be very easy to make minute adjustments without having to have a mouse wheel (think Mac users). Besides I don't think "seeing" the color of the path (as representative of speed) is all that useful. The "right" speed of any one path segment is going to have to be determined by walking through the presentation, and making adjustments based on the "feel" of it. -
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1It would be FANTASTIC and VERY SIMPLE if one of the speed settings was "instant", so that people went from point to the next point with no panning effect. This would be just like going from one powerpoint slide to another.
With this one feature, we could combine both prezi style zooming and powerpoint linear slides, all in one presentation. There are times when separate slides is a good thing (and it's faster and simpler to design), and other times when zooming is really helpful. -
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I think this would add so much too
Should we think a little further on this? Let's look at this from other other end. You want slideshow, or multiple pages.
Let's assume we have a simple mean to set a path-step instant.
Next issue to solve: Should there be a difference between editing view and presentation view?
Let's assume we have 5 images, and we want an instant 'slide' like change.
One option:
In presentation view, when you zoom out, we would only show the first one in prezi, and when you arrive there with the path, or start clicking on it, it shows the images one after the other.
However, while editing, you would probably want to keep the simplicity of just having them 'on your desk', next to each other, and just use the path tool to set its presentation time behavior.
Of course this means there will be places in your prezi, which will look full when in editing mode, and empty when in presentation mode.
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Keep it as it is, we don't change layout, its simpler, and all we talk about is transition time. If you zoom out, you would see all again. (I prefer this myself)
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I think keep it simple, your second option. If you don't want the last 4 images to be to be viewable when you zoom out, then you can always just park them a very long way away "off the edge" of your main presentation view. It would be nice to have them next to the first image, but not at all important.
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I think if you go back to Till and Chromax's illustrated suggestion, it can accomodate an "instant" speed. Somewhat like a jump. If you make the path fast enough, it will look instant (or I'd assume so).
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Another aspect I would like to add here:
There are TWO kinds of speeds / time aspect one could consider in this discussion.
One is transition speed or behavior
Second is auto-play delay. If we can set 'hold time' at each stop, this would allow us to create quite good auto-play prezi stories, almost like movies.
What do you think?- view 2 more comments
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or for display systems.
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The current too high transition speed is currently a showstopper preventing us using prezi for our e-learning presentations. Delay between transitions is secondary to me and it would probably be sad that discussing it delays the implementation of transition speed.
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This was brought up quite some time ago and I'm wondering if the speed option is actively being worked on?
Currently, the zooms are so fast that they are quite off-putting (I'm zooming in from big image to very small). I'd rather not abandon production of this presentation in prezi but I can't imagine it will be approved as is. -
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Good question. We have been discussing this for a long time. I would be interested in knowing if this is actively in development and whether or not the crew could give us an ETA (plus or minus a couple months) on deployment (if it is indeed, in development)
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I’m
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This is one of the best examples of applied co-creation on the net today. Only this is a mayor incentive to put this improvement in practice: you'll get massive free-publicity if you market it right!-
Hi kraker,
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Well, are you guys going to do anything about this? This is a good tool with a novel approach to content presentation. YOU shouldn't assume it will remain the only choice in the market though.
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2I like this idea as well. But I'd also like to see the option of zoom altitude on transition. Sometimes the speed / quantity of stuff that zooms by is nauseating.
Think Google Earth. When you change locations across the globe, if it zoomed by at 1000 feet you'd get sick of it. The transition is slick as it first zooms out to orbit and then back in.
For orienting to connecting concepts this could be a dynamite option. Especially if you had a zebra control to set the top of the transition zoom arc.-
Zoom altitude would be a pretty hard thing to play with. How would you configure this as you please without resorting to 3d?
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We already 'sort of' have access to this when editing or playing back a prezi. Use your scroll wheel. In essence this zoom is Z axis. It's not true 3D since everything exists on a single plane, but zoom is a POV adjustment that sort of emulates a camera Z posit.
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1I haven't been working with Prezi this long, and the first problem I ran into was the path-speed. It is good to see this being acknowledged by several users for some time now.
But is there any concrete development around the issue? It is a quite necessary feature. -
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1I agree with Tomas, it has been asked for some time now. Get down from your plane and stop discussing altitude, acceleration and other variations. Just give us a field where we can set a number to influence the speed. That's it. Then, if you like you can discuss richer speed features for years. -
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I’m
frustrated
I cannot say but that I'm totally surprised and frustrated that prezi didn't came up with any solution in the 12 months or more users were asking for this. Just made a search for dizziness or motion sickness. Hundreds of people are complaning about this and the only thing prezi offers is the advice to not zoom in too much(!!): http://prezi.com/learn/grouping-and-l... This is way far from beeing professional. Think of Hewlett Packard advicing you not to use bold fonts if your printer run out of ink too quickly... or if the first gear of your BMW could not be shifted, they ask you to start with the second gear instead... -
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1Oliver, this is not fair :) We came up with a solution for dizziness and motion sickness: http://blog.prezi.com/2010/04/06/new-...
But yes, this solution is not about that you are able to set the speed but eliminating the need of setting speed manually.
peter
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Peter, Just looked at the Prezi highlighting the new features--they are great!
My question is this: if I hadn't subscribed to this support topic, how would I have known about these new features? You likely tweeted about it and mentioned it on Prezi's FB page, but for me (and I suspect many others), that sort of information gets lost in the flood of info coming in from all the people we are connected to. A brief email saying, "We've made some big improvements" and a link would be perfect for this sort of thing. -
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Peter, you lost me. Are you saying there is currently a way to set path speed?
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I’m
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But yes, this solution is not about that you are able to set the speed but eliminating the need of setting speed manually.
Good job. Thank you ! -
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That path-speed in life is kind of a mystery, I cannot but accept, but here.
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Tomas, are you being poetic? I don't understand what you just said.
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Must be my Dutch accent. Sorry for that, Greg.
The very fact that path-speed as a phenomenon in life is kind of a mystery in life as such, - that is something I cannot but accept. But here it even gets more mysterious.
In relation to this discussion, to make my interest clear: The fact of the matter is, that I have just written a book, which, indeed carries some poetical aspirations. But on the 4th of july (!) it will be presented in combination with a musical composition, written especially for it. I'd really like to use Prezi for this presentation, though path-speed is a major issue in this. For me, to make use of it, path-speed must be dynamic, in order to make it fit. -
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Tomas,
you might be interested in this post:
http://blog.prezi.com/2009/05/27/soun...
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That is indeed very interesting.
On your question: The book and the composition both are very much inspired by the thought and music of John Cage. For Cage, synchronicity was not an issue. In fact it was something he conciously avoided (think of his collaboration with Merce Cunningham, where music and dance were written independently from each other (whereby only the total duration was set), then first coming together live on stage). So there is no need to synchronize the Prezi, which contains a certain amount of fragments from my text, with the music. Actually, only a controlled variation of the path-speed is needed.
(Ideally the movement of the Prezi, its durations on a path, the direction of the path and the intervals are chance-determined. But that is something which can be organized analogously). -
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I’m
excited
Hi Tomas,
While true chance determined control of prezi today would only be easy to do if you hack a keyboard for example (using arduino.cc its pretty easy, simulate keystrokes based on humidity change for example)
But in Cage's spirit you can hack prezi a little to play along your composition.
Movement in prezi is not static, even thought autoplay gets triggered on a regular interval, AFTER you arrived to a location.
However, travelling time is not constant.
If you go close, its fast. If you need to spin, its slower.
If you zoom in, out centrally, its fast.
If you fly over a long distance, its slower.
And various characteristics change depending on these factors. So timing, even if only the a small detail, but IS hackable.
I did a little sketch for you to show this
http://prezi.com/ypkd3hfpcksp/for-the...
Hope it triggers some ideas :)
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oh, press autoplay in more if you like to...
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well i understand the set features but again transition speed should be adjustable for many reasons
I believe what some of the guys suggested is amazing
I am presenting quite frequently and just getting to know prezi but this is a MUST -
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1Adam, did you just do that in the meanwhile?
That is great, thanks a lot!- view 5 more comments
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Sorry Greg...
btw, somewhat unrelated, Greg, have you ever edited the prezi xml? -
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Nope. I suppose I could. I never really thought about it though. Why do you ask?
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I’m
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OOOoooo I got duplicate comments!
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frustrated
I'm lost on the status of this request. I've only recently discovered Prezi and I'm interested in using it to replace slides for the Pecha Kucha format -- you know, 20 slides for 20 seconds each. I can't figure out how to set each stop on the path for twenty seconds. What's the good word on this feature?-
Hi Laura,
Pecha Kucha mode is built in
create a path
go to show mode
press and hold the next button (bottom right of the screen)
choose '20'
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I’m
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I think this offers the opportunity for transitions as well as speed and path shape.
By making a pop-up zebra much like the + menu that's for objects available for the in-between dots for the path you can set the following options:
- Instant transition (no movement)
- Fade instant (static fade from one view to the next)
- Speed selection for current move style
- Enable Bezier handles
It would still works as it does now, allowing the middle dot to be dragged to another object to be included in the path, but on a simple click the plus would appear.
The chosen transition style world be represented by a single letter or digit in the dot, so it can immediately be seen what style it will transition:
1 - 5 - Default camera move with speed indicator one through 5
i - instant
f - fade
Other transitions can be added in time. -
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I was asking about different transitions (such as a disolve) in another thread. Hadn't even considered it as part of this discussion, but you're right it fits in here nicely. I like the concept.
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1Hi Peter, so I assume that after more than a year in discussion for this awesome idea, it was never implemented... right?
All of you sounded so exited with the path speed control, and even had some mockups of the way it would work... how come it was never implemented?
As a paid customer I would love to have this in Prezi "Enjoy".
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I'm still excited about it. Personally I think this concept is a "must have".
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1sad, nothing happens in this direction...
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yes, that's a real pity. Ich was so enthusiastic but stopped using Prezi a year ago because of attenders claiming dizziness.
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Yep exactly the same situation as Oliver....I stopped using Prezi last year because of the dizziness complaints.
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1Used Prezi live for the first time this week. Thought while I was putting it together and from comments after that the transitions were too fast.
Disappointed to see that over a year after this was raised as an issue with some great interface ideas it has not been implemented.
I think it will / does limit the uptake of this otherwise very stylish presentation program. -
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does anybody know, if it's possible to define minimum and a maximum viewing time for several slides?
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